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I have the new Apex, is there a way to use the ATK without using another power adapter? Can I use the PMUP connected to my energy bar and how does that effect the ATO built in program?
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With my "German" ATO I have to direct flow to the display tank.
Otherwise once started by the pump, the reservoir would be completely drained by the siphon effect. Bad!
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The head pressure will be less than 10 feet
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The Neptune ATK can be used on its own, or in conjunction with any Apex Controller. Neptune's Auto Top Off Kit comes with everything you will need to have a functional and safe ATO system. The FMM module is the brain of the operation and has an indicating LED light along with an audible tone letting you know when anything goes wrong.
Dual Optical Sensors
Optical sensors are used by most of the top rated ATO systems, and the ATK uses two optical level sensors that control the overall function of the system. The sensors are pre-mounted into the magnetic bracket, with the lower optic being the primary water level sensor, and the higher optic acting as a backup sensor that will turn the ATK system off if necessary.
Adjustable Float Valve
Each ATK comes with a 100% reef safe adjustable float valve that acts as the last line of defense against overfilling. Float valves are very reliable and if water ever rises to activate the valve, the flow of water will be physically shut off saving you from a possible flood.
Don't think Neptune just stopped at sensors, and float valves to keep your floors dry and your tanks water level perfect. They included an algorithm that will monitor and learn how long it takes to fill your tank on average. After that is determined the system will never run for more than twice the time required to fill the tank. For example, if your tank typically takes 10 seconds to fill, the ATK will never run for more than 20 seconds, and if your system takes a minute to fill, it will never run for longer than 2 minutes.
PMUP Utility Pump
Each ATK includes the powerful PMUP that connects directly to the FMM module without the need for an additional power supply. The submersible PMUP fits is a variety of top off reservoirs and uses standard 1/4" OD Tubing (RO Tubing).
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Module Dimensions - 4.75" L x 2.75" W x 1.375" H
Mounting Bracket Dimensions - 6.5" L x 3" x 3.5" (loaded with sensors and float valve)
Pump Dimensions - 2.25" OD x 5.5" H
Max Tank Thickness - 1/2" (glass or acrylic)
Max Flow - 100GPH
Max Head Height - 14'
Tubing OD - 1/4"
Power Consumption - 17W
1x FMM Module
1x Power Supply
1x PMUP Pump
1x Pump to Tubing Adapter
1x Siphon Break Fitting
1x Magnetic Mounting Bracket
1x Adjustable Float Valve
2x Optical Sensing Eyes
1x 3' Aquabus Connection
13' Top Off Tubing
Perfect By RBG on 8/9/2017RBG would recommend this product to a friendEasy instal, redundant safety features. Worked well right away and still does,
Mixed feelings on this piece of equipment By Randall on 8/8/2017Randall wouldn't recommend this product to a friendFirst, the good:
You can tweak the Apex programming to give you very granular auto topoff control. For my 100 circulating gallon system, a Defer time of 002:00 and a Min Time of 030:00 results in 10-20 seconds of auto topoff every 30-60 minutes, which keeps the salinity very stable.
The system comes with a siphon break valve, designed for systems with elevated RODI containers like the Red Sea Reefers. It works fine with pure RODI water (if a bit noisy), but I have no doubt it would clog quickly with kalkwasser-infused topoff water, as others have experienced; Neptune really should mention somewhere that this is not recommended.
The default Apex programming is pretty bad, at least by my standards. You may need to tweak it considerably to provide small incremental topoffs rather than large disruptive ones on your system.
If you don't have an Apex controller, best not to buy this system. The standalone features and limited configuration options are not attractive.
The 'high level' optical sensor is pretty close to the low level sensor. If you use the high level sensor for an alarm, be prepared for endless false alarms if you sometimes slightly overfill your sump, for example in preparation for acclimating new arrivals.
The really bad:
After 8 weeks, my low level optical sensor failed in the CLOSED state, and started leaking rust or something even more toxic. The contamination was bad enough, but the closed state meant that the ATK was going to think that everything was just fine as the water level went down down down and the return pump eventually stopped. Good thing I monitor my system obsessively. And that I had a spare optical sensor. From other people's experiences with this device as well as with the DOS DDR containers, it seems like these optical sensors are not really up to long term use in harsh chemical environments.
Best Ato By Inks on 8/1/2017Inks would recommend this product to a friendI've used tunze but I like this one better
Defective out the box. By Golden Pond on 7/28/2017Golden Pond wouldn't recommend this product to a friendI usually don't post negative reviews but this one really got to me. Where you plug the pump into the control box the pins are to small for the harness and after days of my water staying low. I finally figured out the problem. Had to zip tie the wire to the power cable to put enough side force to make the pump run. Box feels really cheap. $200 bucks for this. Buy the Tunze!
Nice product By Scott on 7/25/2017Scott would recommend this product to a friendEssentially a great product with multiple safety redundancies vs my previous Tunze. Well made and functions well. The alarm is very faint and must be powered down to reactivate. Love the anti-siphon function in the reservoir. I am not sure why the float valve is so gigantic. It is the largest part of the whole in sump apparatus plus taking up a lot of real estate. These are just minor things as I compare to my previous very small Tunze.
Bad optical sensor By Gene on 6/22/2017Gene wouldn't recommend this product to a friendAs always another defective item. The optical sensor always reads closed. So as usual with apex support they try to make it hard for you to get a replacement.
BE WARNED By Dani Zani on 6/18/2017Dani Zani wouldn't recommend this product to a friendI ran this in offline mode on my frag tank. Never again. Alarm tripped and ATO stopped over the weekend. In 40g frag tank this was a big deal!! Could have burned up my pump!!
Alarms should reset!!!
To fix I'm removing second sensor from water, and putting aside. But man, never had this problem with any other systems.
Easy to Install and QUIET By Mical on 6/17/2017Mical would recommend this product to a friendI've had a handful of different ATOs but this one by far is the easiest to install. Literally took minutes. Added bonus it's super quiet. Tested all functions in "stand alone mode" and it worked flawlessly. I like the redundancy and triggering of faults - yes you have to reset power but that's a minor nuance. The plus' outweigh the inconvenience by far.
Don't think an ATO could be made any easier By Jonny on 6/15/2017Jonny would recommend this product to a friendI have needed an ATO for a while - been procrastinating cuz there were just SO many choices. Saw the BRS video on this one so I thought Id give it a go. All I can say is that I wish all aquarium products were all this easy to set up. Litterally had it working in about five minites. I don't have an Apex - didn't think I needed one - but this ATK product has me looking closer now
Excellent in Both Modes By Eric on 6/9/2017Eric would recommend this product to a friendI've used the ATK in both standalone and apex connected and both have worked great. I first tried it in standalone mode for a very small tank (12 gallons) and was impressed with its ability to keep a very small amount of water stable without overfilling or causing false alarms.
There are lots of built in safety features that make this a robust top off system. Different sensors and a manual cut off float valve prevents overfill and due to built in programming its made to stop if it runs too long. The ATK will not turn on unless the low sensor is actually low for a full 10 seconds. This eliminates random fluctuations. It will also turn on the pump for at least 4-5 seconds. This prevents super short cycles on the pump that may trigger if the water level is barely bouncing at the bottom sensor. The main gripe is that you do have to power cycle the FMM if an alarm occurs. Luckily the one thats most likely to trigger is the top optical being under water. There however is a 10 minute delay before an alarm will sound. This means something most likely did go wrong and it wasn't just a feed mode or return pump restart issue.
In Apex connected mode you do lose the audible alarms and IQFill but you gain the power of controlling all of the code and timed events I listed before. I really lengthened the bottom optical sensor delay before it starts its top off. This means it won't trigger while siphons and filters are restarting. During this time there may be a drop in the return chamber of a sump, and I don't want it to trigger as its a false low. You can also put in Feed mode delays and power off delays for the same reason. The biggest of all is probably text/email alerts. Having an audible alarm is great, but its not that helpful if you are at work or outside at the time that something goes wrong. Being able to immediately get notified and then take appropriate action inside Apex Fusion is amazing.
Design flaws By Chris on 6/8/2017Chris wouldn't recommend this product to a friendThere are several design flaws with this kit especially if you use kalkwasser in your top off like most reefers do.
1.The siphon prevention is a tiny pinhole in a tubing adapter. Pretty much gets clogged right away unless you have nothing but pure RODI water and no additives you are doing through topoff. I used my own T junction with a larger hole to fix it.
2. The float shutoff is a really cheap part with another pinhole output that gets clogged after a few days. I took it apart and made the hole larger with a drill and it clogs no more and still shuts off.
3. The pump is really a cheap product after 1 week it quit with a loud buzzing noise. I took it apart and one of the impeller fins has broken off and and stopped the motor. I cleared the broken fin and I am running it with one less fin.
4. The outlet for the Apex dashboard physically shuts off the outlet for some reason instead of just switching it to the off state. You have to manually correct it from the dashboard each time it shuts itself off in the event of an error. This may be ok for some folks who want ultra safe shutdown in case of emergency. I fixed this by extended the pump on time in the interface to 4 minutes but also #2 above fixes the problem as well but has the drawback of adding too much water too fast.
5. I contacted Neptune Systems support and they merely offered to replace the pump after I jumped through a series of RMA procedures. What I would really like to get is a better quality build in the manifold.
Overall, the best part about this product is the Apex Fusion integration where I can see what is actually going on. I replaced my Tunze Osmolator with this product and I was going to take it out after a week of using the product but it has saved my bacon over the week I have owned this product as a backup when this one is not working properly and I needed to fix the parts.
As a note: this product would work a lot better if you do not use kalkwasser in your topoff. If you do use kalkwasser, make the mods I mentioned and then hang the pump a lot higher in the tank so that it can't possible suck up anything other than saturated solution. If you want the Apex integration and you can make the mods above, then buy this thing, otherwise, just look at the Tunze osmolator or another product that is better crafted.
Best ATO on the Market By Greg on 6/8/2017Greg would recommend this product to a friendThis is probably the single best ATO now on the market. Works stand alone without an Apex. 4 options of measure water levels before disaster. Nothing out there can compete at this price. You should not hesitate to buy this product.